Torchwood 1-11 Combat
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beccaelizabethThat was more interesting than I remember. Not the fight club per se, Owen and Gwen.
Gwen remains hard to like. This is rather a low point however you look at it. Drugging her boyfriend? It's slightly different from what Owen did in the first episode, but raises some of the same issues. I mean, if he knew she'd done that, would he remain her boyfriend? Is it like when Willow made Tara forget so they'd stay together? It's not like Rhys wasn't upset with her before the confession. (It's Rhys's low point too. Swearing and giving orders at Gwen and ignoring that Jack is standing there bleeding? Not a likeable day there.) He knows she's distant, he knows work owns her, he just don't know about Owen. And it's kind of not Owen that Gwen is emotionally cheating with. It's Jack that makes her light up, it's just Owen she's shagging. It gets complicated. So now she's about as far from Rhys as she gets, and feeling all guilty about it, and that forgive me bit from the beginning gets ugly.
Gwen more concerned with being forgiven than forgiveable. Clear the air? Make a mess.
It's good story arc though, this flailing failure to cope on her part. Discover whole world is not as expected, have four other people in the world she can talk to, then mostly don't talk to them, flail and fail to cope. SF doesn't usually go there. But it's a reasonable extrapolation, especially for people that were sort of mainstream and thought they were ordinary before. No practice being outsiders.
Tosh and Gwen exchange a whole couple of sentences this episode. But they're about Owen.
Tosh is a bit assertive this time. Got to like that.
Getting upset at using prisoners this way, plus 1-06 saying she can get out of any prison cell, goes into revelation in 2-12 of having been prisoner. Works pretty good.
Owen... see I know Owen is a wanker, but how Gwen treats him in this one is also one of the reasons I can't like her. He's drowning, and she's all waiting for him to make supportive statements at her. She's been going to him because she can't deal, but what has she been giving him? Far as this conversation shows, just sex. No caring about how he's feeling. No noticing that maybe a guy who doesn't turn up to work might have Stuff going on. But I guess she does kind of ask, it's just it leads straight into wondering why they're still shagging, so it looks less like wondering if he's okay and more like confirming he was shagging someone else. When she's living with Rhys. So, you know, back to not liking her.
Yet still Owen is a wanker. He's hurting, but that doesn't make him a nice person. Far from.
So he ends up in the Weevil cage.
I don't know if he meant to get himself killed. It's the easiest interpretation, but up until Jack charges in, he wasn't being attacked. And at the very end he could just back the Weevils down. So had he gone in there to be King of the Weevils at them?
But he didn't want saving, and for a moment there he felt totally at peace...
... yeah, that sounds a lot like he walked in there to die.
Suicide is a pretty major theme with Torchwood. Jack and Owen both for sure. They sort of mirror each other around the death thing, and somewhat with the sex stuff, just Owen's version is kind of even more messed up.
Owen's scared and he's angry and when things are messed up Jack's the boss but when Jack's messing things up... yeah, the end of season is sliding together neatly.
Jack though - I don't know as I noticed before, but when the other idiot goes in the weevil cage, Jack has the gun aimed at the Weevil, then he raises it, and then he gives the Weevil the nod. Just, nods sideways at the guy. Kind of like have at it, or tea's up. He doesn't just not save the guy, he serves him up. Creepy.
Jack is so not the good guy in this.
If ever.
Torchwood are not the good guys. Way too messed up.
But they're the ones that turn up and try.
All things considered I'm not sure that's quite a good thing though.
Gwen remains hard to like. This is rather a low point however you look at it. Drugging her boyfriend? It's slightly different from what Owen did in the first episode, but raises some of the same issues. I mean, if he knew she'd done that, would he remain her boyfriend? Is it like when Willow made Tara forget so they'd stay together? It's not like Rhys wasn't upset with her before the confession. (It's Rhys's low point too. Swearing and giving orders at Gwen and ignoring that Jack is standing there bleeding? Not a likeable day there.) He knows she's distant, he knows work owns her, he just don't know about Owen. And it's kind of not Owen that Gwen is emotionally cheating with. It's Jack that makes her light up, it's just Owen she's shagging. It gets complicated. So now she's about as far from Rhys as she gets, and feeling all guilty about it, and that forgive me bit from the beginning gets ugly.
Gwen more concerned with being forgiven than forgiveable. Clear the air? Make a mess.
It's good story arc though, this flailing failure to cope on her part. Discover whole world is not as expected, have four other people in the world she can talk to, then mostly don't talk to them, flail and fail to cope. SF doesn't usually go there. But it's a reasonable extrapolation, especially for people that were sort of mainstream and thought they were ordinary before. No practice being outsiders.
Tosh and Gwen exchange a whole couple of sentences this episode. But they're about Owen.
Tosh is a bit assertive this time. Got to like that.
Getting upset at using prisoners this way, plus 1-06 saying she can get out of any prison cell, goes into revelation in 2-12 of having been prisoner. Works pretty good.
Owen... see I know Owen is a wanker, but how Gwen treats him in this one is also one of the reasons I can't like her. He's drowning, and she's all waiting for him to make supportive statements at her. She's been going to him because she can't deal, but what has she been giving him? Far as this conversation shows, just sex. No caring about how he's feeling. No noticing that maybe a guy who doesn't turn up to work might have Stuff going on. But I guess she does kind of ask, it's just it leads straight into wondering why they're still shagging, so it looks less like wondering if he's okay and more like confirming he was shagging someone else. When she's living with Rhys. So, you know, back to not liking her.
Yet still Owen is a wanker. He's hurting, but that doesn't make him a nice person. Far from.
So he ends up in the Weevil cage.
I don't know if he meant to get himself killed. It's the easiest interpretation, but up until Jack charges in, he wasn't being attacked. And at the very end he could just back the Weevils down. So had he gone in there to be King of the Weevils at them?
But he didn't want saving, and for a moment there he felt totally at peace...
... yeah, that sounds a lot like he walked in there to die.
Suicide is a pretty major theme with Torchwood. Jack and Owen both for sure. They sort of mirror each other around the death thing, and somewhat with the sex stuff, just Owen's version is kind of even more messed up.
Owen's scared and he's angry and when things are messed up Jack's the boss but when Jack's messing things up... yeah, the end of season is sliding together neatly.
Jack though - I don't know as I noticed before, but when the other idiot goes in the weevil cage, Jack has the gun aimed at the Weevil, then he raises it, and then he gives the Weevil the nod. Just, nods sideways at the guy. Kind of like have at it, or tea's up. He doesn't just not save the guy, he serves him up. Creepy.
Jack is so not the good guy in this.
If ever.
Torchwood are not the good guys. Way too messed up.
But they're the ones that turn up and try.
All things considered I'm not sure that's quite a good thing though.