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More Torchwood numbers.
If I stick to just counting speaking parts then I can count how many speaking characters get dead, how many are women, and how many are people of color. I can also count black men, because there's a specific issue there. But must remember 'dead black men' is a subset of 'dead people of color'. Do I need a column for 'dead white men' or is that just the remainder? ...I need a column.
I can only count what I see, and may be inaccurate.
This being Torchwood many of these characters are either dead before they're speaking or die more than once. I'm going to count Suzie in both episodes. She's special that way. So then I have to count Owen twice too. But I'm not counting Jack at all, the viewer never believes it.

I did attempt to count corpses as well, but there's some crowd scene issues going on. I could freeze frame and have a go, but massive job much?

Right. Table under the cut. It may not be a very useful table, but I've made it now so I'll post it.

Episode	Speaking characters	dead speaking characters	Women	dead women	people of color	dead people of color	dead black men	dead white men
1-01 Everything Changes	20	3	5	1	2	1	0/0	2
1-02 Day One	18	3	4	0	2	0	0/1	3
1-03 Ghost machine	18 or 26	2	6 or 8	1	1	0	0/0	1
1-04 Cyberwoman	8	3	4	2	3	2	0/0	0
1-05 Small Worlds	19	3	10	1	2	0	0/0	2
1-06 Countrycide	11	1	4	1	1	0	0/0	0
1-07 Greeks Bearing Gifts	28 (10+18 minds)	2	13 (4+9 minds)	1	5 (3+2 minds)	0	0/0?	1
1-08 They Keep Killing Suzie	11	3	4	1	5	2	1/1	1
1-09 Random Shoes	17	1?	5	0	2	0	0/1	1?
1-10 Out of Time	16	1	7	0	3	0	0/0	1
1-11 Combat	11	1	3	0	2	0	0/1	1
1-12 Captain Jack Harkness	15	0	6	0	1	0	0/0	0
1-13 End of Days	15	0?	7	0	3	0	0/0	0?

And now for season 2:

Episode	Speaking characters	dead speaking characters	Women	dead Women	People of Color	dead People of Color	dead black men	dead white men
2-01 Kiss Kiss Bang Bang	13	1	4	0?	2	0?	0/0	1
2-02 Sleeper	19	7	8	2	2	1	0/0	5
2-03 To The Last Man	12	0	4	0	2	0	0/1	0
2-04 Meat	14	0	3	0	1	0	0/0	0
2-05 Adam	11	2	3	0	2	0	0/1	2
2-06 Reset	13	4	5	1	3	0	0/0	3
2-07 Dead Man Walking	14	1	8	1	3	0	0/0	0
2-08 A Day in the Death	11	1	4	0	3	0	0/1	1
2-09 Something Borrowed	17 + 2 shapeshifters	1+2 shapeshifters	8 + 1? shapeshifter	0+ 1? shapeshifter	4	0	0/1	1
2-10 From Out of the Rain	18	8	10	5	1	0	0/0	3
2-11 Adrift	14	0	6	0	4	0	0/1	0
2-12 Fragments	20 + 4 UNIT + 1 voice	3	9 + 0 UNIT + 1 voice	1	4	1	1/1	1
2-13 Exit Wounds	13	2	5	1	4	1	0/1	1

2-13 has a spooky voice and three robes, that arguably get dead. But you can't say for sure they're human, let alone which sorts.


There's also longevity tests to play with: Who makes it through two minutes, who gets two seasons, who's still going? Maybe I do that later.


Okay, I have *tried* to make tables but I keep on thinking of more ways up to put the data. Is it one black man dead out of one black men ever, or one out of many? I need another column or something. Wait, I'll write it as fractions, so 0/1 means one black guy survived and 1/1 means there was one black man and he died.

There were 11 black men with words to say in the two seasons. Two died.
There were 13 black women with speaking parts, some of them in several episodes. Two died. Plus the woman in the recording was already dead.

So there's a pretty good chance of survival in Torchwood even for black people.
Win.

Under this next cut goes a list of all the dead speaking characters.


Dead speaking characters

1-01: Dead John, white male. Porter, white male. Suzie, Asian female.
1-02: Matt Stevens, white male. Eddie, white male. Mr Weston, says "I'm gay" then dies, white male.
1-03: Lizzie Lewis, white female. Ed Morgan, white male.
1-04: Tanizaki, Japanese male. Lisa, black female. Pizza girl, white female.
1-05: Estelle, white woman. Roy, white man. Mark Goodson, white male.
1-06: Ellie Jonson, white female. We don't see other speaking characters definitely die.
1-07: Mary, white female, prostitute with a man then has sex with a woman when possessed. Soldier, white male.
1-08: Suzie, Asian woman. Dead Alex, white male. Dead Mark, black male.
1-09: Eugene Jones, probably, white male.
1-10: John Ellis, white male.
1-11: Mark Lynch, white male.
1-12: no on screen deaths.
1-13: as far as I can tell they all wear off by the end of the episode, so I won't count them.

2-01: Attacker on roof, white male. We hear about other death - the black woman in the holo is dead before she speaks - but don't see it, so it probably don't count.
2-02: Beth, black woman. Mike, white man. Burglar, white male. Burglar2, white male. David, white male. Woman with David, white female. Patrick Grainger, white male. Approximately 6 soldiers get dead but all I can see of them is camo; some of them speak but I don't know how many.
2-03: no on screen deaths.
2-04: no human deaths.
2-05: Adam, white male. Franklin, white male.
2-06: Marie, white female. BD, white male. Copley, white male. Owen, white male.
2-07: Nurse, white female.
2-08: Parker, white male.
2-09: Two shapeshifters, unclassifiable strictly speaking but spoken of as one male and one female. Mervyn the DJ, white man.
2-10: Ghostmaker, white male. Pearl, white female. Dave Penn, white man. Faith Penn, white woman. Nettie Williams, white woman. Restaurant owner, white woman. Young mum, white woman. Young dad, white man.
2-11: no deaths
2-12: Katie, white woman. Jim, Black man. Alex, white man.
2-13: Toshiko, Japanese woman. Owen, white man.




I also made a little list of queer relationships in answer to someone elses post so I'll paste them in here because I have the window open.

Ianto/Jack is the most consistent same sex relationship.

There was a creepy Adam/Ianto moment in 2-05 with the psychic assault.
2-01 Captain Jack / Captain John did a lot of kissing, and turned out a bit doomed and nasty.
1-12 had the two Captains Jack and a starcrossed doomed romance thing with one of them ending up dead.
weird moment could be read as Gwen/Suzie in 1-08 when Suzie reckoned Gwen was dead
1-07 Mary/Tosh one dead one under alien influence and all doomed
1-04 has the first Jack/Ianto kissing
there's a random dead gay guy in 1-02. He announces he's gay, sex alien dusts him anyway.
plus the Gwen/Carys kiss under the pheremone influence.
and 1-01 has the Owen moment.

That's all the ones I wrote down.

There was also a lot of doomed, dead, noncon etc het relationships. I think relationships only ever got mentioned if there was doomed involved somewhere.



If there is any more counting to do someone else can do it. I have head of fuzzy and forgot both breakfast and lunch. *facepalm*